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 Post subject: Izoni, Thousand-Eyed, gonna be that guy...
AgePosted: 2018-Sep-28 9:18 am 
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Izoni, Thousand-Eyed has been spoiled for a little bit, and there are already dozens of articles written about her. I have been looking for a good Living Death deck and I think this is it!

Lands
Command Tower
1 Evolving Wilds
12 Forest
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Golgari Guildgate
1 Golgari Rot Farm
1 Grim Backwoods
1 High Market
1 Jungle Hollow
14 Swamp
1 Tainted Wood
1 Vivid Grove
1 Vivid Marsh
1 Westvale Abbey

Artifacts
1 Altar of Dementia
1 Ashnod's Altar
1 Birthing Pod
1 Skullclamp
1 Sol Ring

Enchantments
1 Arguel's Blood Fast
1 Bitterblossom
1 Journey to Eternity

Instants
1 Altar's Reap
1 Momentous Fall
1 Putrefy
1 Tragic Slip

Sorceries
1 Barter in Blood
1 Cultivate
1 Eldritch Evolution
1 Explosive Vegetation
1 Harmonize
1 In Garruk's Wake
1 Jarad's Orders
1 Kodama's Reach
1 Life's Legacy
1 Living Death
1 Primal Growth
1 Rampant Growth
1 Victimize

Creatures
1 Acidic Slime
1 Bane of Progress
1 Butcher of Malakir
1 Carrion Feeder
1 Caustic Caterpillar
1 Creakwood Liege
1 Deathrite Shaman
1 Diligent Farmhand
1 Disciple of Bolas
1 Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder
1 Eternal Witness
1 Fierce Empath
1 Fleshbag Marauder
1 Grim Haruspex
1 Harvester of Souls
1 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
1 Kokusho, the Evening Star
1 Masked Admirers
1 Merciless Executioner
1 Ophiomancer
1 Pathbreaker Ibex
1 Phyrexian Plaguelord
1 Reassembling Skeleton
1 Regal Force
1 Rune-Scarred Demon
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Sangromancer
1 Shriekmaw
1 Sidisi, Undead Vizier
1 Skullwinder
1 Smothering Abomination
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Verdant Force
1 Viscera Seer
1 Vulturous Zombie
1 Yahenni, Undying Partisan
1 Yavimaya Elder


1 Deathrite Shaman
1 Creakwood Liege
1 Butcher of Malakir
1 Beast Whisperer
1 Underrealm Lich
1 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
1 Eternal Witness
1 Avenger of Zendikar
1 Golgari Grave-Troll
1 Kessig Cagebreakers
1 Tendershoot Dryad
1 Splinterfright
1 Sidisi, Undead Vizier
1 Mycoloth
1 Lotleth Giant
1 Golgari Findbroker
1 Glowspore Shaman
1 Blood Artist
1 World Shaper
1 Ravenous Chupacabra
1 Poison-Tip Archer
1 Plaguecrafter
1 Molderhulk
1 Shriekmaw
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Swarm Guildmage
1 Yavimaya Elder
1 Zulaport Cutthroat
1 Elves of Deep Shadow
1 Elvish Mystic
1 Farhaven Elf
1 Llanowar Elves
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Satyr Wayfinder
1 Stinkweed Imp
1 Viscera Seer
1 Wood Elves

1 Dread Return
1 Ashnod's Altar
1 Worm Harvest
1 Putrefy
1 Skullclamp
1 Cultivate
1 Grisly Salvage
1 Victimize
1 Might of the Masses
1 Spider Spawning
1 Sol Ring
1 Golgari Signet
1 Mausoleum Secrets
1 Living Death
1 Evolutionary Leap
1 Eldritch Evolution
1 Dictate of Erebos
1 Growing Rites of Itlimoc
1 Heroic Intervention
1 Journey to Eternity
1 Grave Pact
1 Eldrazi Monument
1 Deadbridge Chant
1 Altar of Dementia
1 Beastmaster Ascension
1 Severed Strands

1 Grim Backwoods
1 Hissing Quagmire
1 Westvale Abbey
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Twilight Mire
1 Llanowar Wastes
1 Golgari Rot Farm
1 Woodland Cemetery
1 Tainted Wood
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Command Tower
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Golgari Guildgate
1 Jungle Hollow
1 Temple of Malady
1 Overgrown Tomb


Creatures


Deathrite Shaman
Stitcher's Supplier
Typhoid Rats
Caustic Caterpillar
Elvish Mystic
Llanowar Elves
Burglar Rat
Dusk Legion Zealot
Thornweald Archer
Borderland Explorer
Deadly Recluse
Dawntreader Elk
Satyr Wayfinder
Elvish Visionary
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Kraul Harpooner
Lotus Cobra
Priest of Forgotten Gods
Plaguecrafter
Stinkweed Imp
Skittering Surveyor
Pilgrim's Eye
Viridian Shaman
Reclamation Sage
Eternal Witness
Yavimaya Elder
Farhaven Elf
Borderland Ranger
Wood Elves
Fertilid
Jungle Wayfinder
Courser of Kruphix
Oracle of Mul Daya
Skittering Surveyor
Beast Whisperer
Whisper, Blood Liturgist
Gravedigger
Ravenous Chupacabra
Golgari Findbroker
Poison-Tip Archer
Underrealm Lich
Biogenic Ooze
Grave Titan
Kokusho, the Evening Star
Krosan Tusker

Morbid Curiosity
Blood Divination
Assassin's Trophy
Nihil Spellbomb
Status // Statue
Might of the Masses
Commander's Sphere
Rampant Growth
Commune with the Gods
Three Visits
Life from the Loam
Cultivate
Kodama's Reach
Primal Growth
Skyshroud Claim
Phyrexian Altar
Putrefy
Fecundity
Buried ALive
Grisly Salvage
Guardian Project

8 Swamp
14 Forest
Bojuka Bog
Jungle Hollow
Terramorphic Expanse
Verdant Catacombs
Grim Backwoods
Command Tower
Woodland Cemetery
Overgrown Tomb
Bayou
Ash Barrens
Hissing Quagmire
Temple of Malady
Evolving Wilds


I ended up with two very different decks, partially due to what I own but also because the meta online requires that I play a different deck. If I don't play the Gravepact style cards I often am little more than a glorified observer. In paper, I want to try to make it as close to creature only as possible.

Let me know what you think, especially since it is two very different decks. I had originally planned on copying it card for card and I may yet. I have gotten in about 40 games online and zero in paper. I am hoping that the paper deck is still strong enough that I can win 1/x games (x=number of players). Online I try to win 50%, but I know that is not super realistic as I will typically have 3 opponents playing Jin-Gitaxias, and 40 counterspells.

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The usual answer is "the social contract", but I guess that is not what you are looking for. Try house rules.


With perfect mana, reasonable removal, disruption, and card advantage, we're back to pitchforks and torches. And it's about to get worse for those who do not enjoy the game as Richard Garfield intended, playing as few win conditions as possible and prompting concession after all hopes (and spells) are lost. - Shaheen Soorani


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 Post subject: Re: Izoni, Thousand-Eyed, gonna be that guy...
AgePosted: 2018-Sep-28 6:27 pm 
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Black Market is cheap now. I think. You need some LD redundancy. Twilight’s Call is good, although onesided. Rise of the dark realms is also onesided, but the other way. Expensive, so not a good suggestion.

Maybe you could pick up a Meren precon. This deck could use Meren and Mazirek.

I would not go with Grave Pact. It slows down play to the point of boredom. I would go all out on Fleshbag Marauder lookalikes though, very good after a LD. Midnight Reaper is the new hotsauce.

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 Post subject: Re: Izoni, Thousand-Eyed, gonna be that guy...
AgePosted: 2018-Sep-29 3:42 am 
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I went to follow your advice Shabbaman, but wow... I couldn't find Plunder the Graves for less than $150! I mean I could get the second Commander Anthology for about $280. So I thought about it... but I think I am going to just buy singles, unless I just hit a good deal at some point.

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The usual answer is "the social contract", but I guess that is not what you are looking for. Try house rules.


With perfect mana, reasonable removal, disruption, and card advantage, we're back to pitchforks and torches. And it's about to get worse for those who do not enjoy the game as Richard Garfield intended, playing as few win conditions as possible and prompting concession after all hopes (and spells) are lost. - Shaheen Soorani


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 Post subject: Re: Izoni, Thousand-Eyed, gonna be that guy...
AgePosted: 2018-Sep-29 4:49 am 
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Inkeyes22 wrote:
I mean I could get the second Commander Anthology for about $280.


OK, bad advice then. I didn't want to make you feel miserable: I knew the deck was in the second anthology set, so I figured it might not be ridiculously expensive. Anyway, I'm going to quote myself from another thread:

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I can certainly see why you wouldn’t want a Meren deck. Anyway, I just came across this article mentioning Izoni and Savra. I like the black elves theme, and it has some good ideas: https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/stephenj ... ding-izoni


Nice article.

You know, with Pitiless Plunderer (and very likely with Revel in Riches as well) you can make an infinite LD loop if you have something to recur LD in your pile, like Ewitness.

Another thing worth exploring is if you can put Cryptolith Rite to good use. It's a weak version of Earthcraft, but at least it is affordable (well, it's dirt cheap on magiccardmarket, US prizes are crazy). You need a haste enabler though.

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 Post subject: Re: Izoni, Thousand-Eyed, gonna be that guy...
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So I started reading that article, and I should probably say I have read several articles from Stephen Johnson and I thought they were really good, but whenever someone just re-types what is already on the card I lose interest. I mean there are some cards where there is 400 lines of text so paraphrasing is appreciated, but whenever a card is meantioned and they start with "Shock deals 2 damage to any target, Lightning Bolt deals 3 damage to any target..." I move on.

Meren herself is a $9 at the moment, but since she is not going to be the commander I do not know if she would be worth it without a very slot intensive reanimation package. I think that is just a different deck. I kinda want to dredge a lot of stuff into my graveyard, play Izoni, then sac everything for profit before I Living Death it all back. I ended up trading for a bunch of stuff for the deck like Reclamation Sage and so I think this will be the deck I work on slowly as I trade for stuff. I currently am trying to get a Liliana, Heretical Healer filled to the brim with all the copies. I ended up trading quite a bit for a Liliana of the Veil in Russian.

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The usual answer is "the social contract", but I guess that is not what you are looking for. Try house rules.


With perfect mana, reasonable removal, disruption, and card advantage, we're back to pitchforks and torches. And it's about to get worse for those who do not enjoy the game as Richard Garfield intended, playing as few win conditions as possible and prompting concession after all hopes (and spells) are lost. - Shaheen Soorani


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 Post subject: Re: Izoni, Thousand-Eyed, gonna be that guy...
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I like your style of reviewing articles, you should do that on a weekly basis. Personally I'm not bothered by that though, I'm a fast reader (meaning: I read the first and last part of a paragraph and skip half the text).

Agree on Meren not being worth nine bucks to fill a slot. I just thought it'd be worth it if you could get the whole precon at a good price (and the individual cards you want or need from that deck are likely cheaper than what you'd pay for the whole deck...). Mazirek is worth it though (define "it", don't know... Excellent card in the 99, can get big and has evasion, lets you go wide.. at least worth 5 bucks (and it likely costs more, so there you go).

I like the idea of a Liliana theme. A long shot, and way outside your price range, but if there ever was a good time since its original release to get a Doubling Season, it is now. Barring another reprint it won't get cheaper.

About dredge, it's not a strategy I enjoy in EDH. I do like Deathbridge Chant, and playing Hermit Druid with several basics in the deck is very solid. You could play that in addition to your dredgers.

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I found most of the cards in the precon for way less than actually buying it, and so I updated the original post with what I am actually playing. So far I have gotten in 3 games, and I haven't really been able to do much in any of them. One because there was an Eldrazi by turn 4 (Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger, the commander was Selvala, Explorer Returned and he had out Priest of Titania and 3 other Llanowar Elves). I think I need to trim mana costs or maybe add some more mana fixing/fetch as I was struggling to get 6 mana before turn 9+

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The usual answer is "the social contract", but I guess that is not what you are looking for. Try house rules.


With perfect mana, reasonable removal, disruption, and card advantage, we're back to pitchforks and torches. And it's about to get worse for those who do not enjoy the game as Richard Garfield intended, playing as few win conditions as possible and prompting concession after all hopes (and spells) are lost. - Shaheen Soorani


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 Post subject: Re: Izoni, Thousand-Eyed, gonna be that guy...
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You could try Cryptolith Rite. And/or all Wood Elves lookalikes.

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So I finally am moved in and wanting to go try out a new shop or so I have been debating what decks to bring as it will be a first impression of sorts. I recently (well it has been over a year ago so I guess not super recent0 sold most of my collection but I have this deck and a few more. If you look at the OP under Deck I am playing on Paper, I updated it as it had gotten a few upgrades. Let me know how you would feel playing against it. Also if you have some critiques that would be awesome as well. Thanks!

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The usual answer is "the social contract", but I guess that is not what you are looking for. Try house rules.


With perfect mana, reasonable removal, disruption, and card advantage, we're back to pitchforks and torches. And it's about to get worse for those who do not enjoy the game as Richard Garfield intended, playing as few win conditions as possible and prompting concession after all hopes (and spells) are lost. - Shaheen Soorani


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 Post subject: Re: Izoni, Thousand-Eyed, gonna be that guy...
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Honestly, I think your paper list may have too much ramp - specifically, it's FULL of ETB get a land dudes, which are nice and all, but I think you have too many, especially things like Jungle Wayfinder that are helping all your opponents... there's no need for that.

I'm encouraged that you didn't go straight to the Grave Pact well with this - those effects can be incredibly oppressive with generals that have built-in triggers for them.

Also, your intro said this was a Living Death deck, and yet I don't see Living Death in the list...

I feel like you could use some more impactful cards, especially ones that like to die or like other things to die - Solemn Simulacrum, Zulaport Cutthroat, World Shaper, Seedguide Ash, Masked Admirers, God-Eternal Bontu... I could go on and on. You could really push it and go with stuff like Protean Hulk, but I wouldn't suggest that unless you find your new meta is high-powered.

Oh, and Journey to Eternity is pretty nutty.

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Sid the Chicken wrote:
Honestly, I think your paper list may have too much ramp - specifically, it's FULL of ETB get a land dudes, which are nice and all, but I think you have too many, especially things like Jungle Wayfinder that are helping all your opponents... there's no need for that.

I'm encouraged that you didn't go straight to the Grave Pact well with this - those effects can be incredibly oppressive with generals that have built-in triggers for them.

Also, your intro said this was a Living Death deck, and yet I don't see Living Death in the list...


I think you might be right on too many ebt land dudes, I will have to change it up as soon as I get my hands on some WAR cards, been tempted to get a box of Japanese and I should do it asap if I am going to do so as they are around $200 a pop now.

I did have a Savra, Queen of the Golgari deck that ran all the Grave Pact, but it wasn't fun for anybody, so I try to steer away from that when playing with friends or people at a lgs. MTGO I have no qualms as I am likely to die before turn 5 anyways.

I did run Living Death for a while, but it got to be boring for me and opponents when I have 20 triggers on the stack and no one dies. So I cut it for now, but I might put it back in as a catch all good stuff if needed.

I really need to get out more, but mostly just been playing Arena as I can do that when I want without traveling. I will make a decision on the box of WAR soon and update decklist. Thanks for feedback.

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The usual answer is "the social contract", but I guess that is not what you are looking for. Try house rules.


With perfect mana, reasonable removal, disruption, and card advantage, we're back to pitchforks and torches. And it's about to get worse for those who do not enjoy the game as Richard Garfield intended, playing as few win conditions as possible and prompting concession after all hopes (and spells) are lost. - Shaheen Soorani


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Picked up some WAR cards, so I made some changes:




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The usual answer is "the social contract", but I guess that is not what you are looking for. Try house rules.


With perfect mana, reasonable removal, disruption, and card advantage, we're back to pitchforks and torches. And it's about to get worse for those who do not enjoy the game as Richard Garfield intended, playing as few win conditions as possible and prompting concession after all hopes (and spells) are lost. - Shaheen Soorani


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